Three Muscovites could find little positive to say about former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who has died aged 91.
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Pretty sure his compatriots will have legitimate reasons not to praise him. They had to live through his legacy and that of Yeltsin after all.
Putin won't attend funeral. He is concerned about is safety not his schedule.
hang on wasn't it yeltsin who suddenly banned the communist party overnight without any plan and vetoed any plans for a unified state? why's it gobachev's fault? what did they want him to do .. even more authoritarian leadership?.. more wars with people who want independence?
Because of him millions killed in middle east and Africa in American led wars..
Exalted abroad, mocked at home where he brought only hunger, chaos, economic disaster, the fall of the Soviet Union (it was the task entrusted to him by the world power). And for this he was dismissed…
Not a surprise. Russians obviously miss having satellite states to step on. Kazakhs, Ukrainians, Georgians, Poles, & Czechs not so much.
If America and the rest of the west heaped praises on him, even gave him a Nobel Peace Prize, you know that he has done something right…for America and the west.
Gorbachev was the icon of globalization, which is why he is sanctified by the West, but not by his compatriots ..
Wouldn't mind hearing a young person's opinion, might be different if you ask people who came after his time.
He was a Freemason and as such, logically, served British interests.
The fall of the USSR is still plaguing all of it’s republics to this day. To say the Union should have continued to keep things stable well into the 21’st Century is an understatement. IT SHOULD HAVE KEPT GOING not cause all this destabilization that didn’t help any of the republics.
Modern day Ukraine a great example of why independence was actually horrible. The Soviet people should have came together and worked to solve the Soviet economic issues not break away and make things far worse than they were.
The current war with Ukraine and Russia wouldn’t even be a thing had the USSR lived. The biggest thing that should have changed under Gorbachev was even MORE Communization and De-Russification campaign in member republics besides the Russian SFSR.
There is a reason the idea and of the USSR and feelings for the USSR is wrongfully seen as “Russian occupation” to many Ukrainians for example. Russian Nationalism and Russification was a huge problem in the USSR and was a huge departure from Lenin and Marxism.
In summary it was far better to just keep the Soviet Union intact and actually work to solve the problems the Second Economy caused. Breaking up and ending Socialism/the Communist Party wasn’t the answer.
Cod willing america will break up
Is communism based on hatred or love?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIU8WAFixWs&t=121s
He was pressured to change too fast too soon to please the "west". Similarly, Japan's economy went stagnant for two decades since that time too. Talk about price of freedom, hope it's worth it. At least, the oligarchs are doing well.
Those satellite states never wanted to be ruled by Soviet Union. These people are so selfish and brainwashed.
Grey Gotham Morning here > https://youtu.be/2M5Z5Q_Dwqs
The idea of Soviet leaders not wanting dialogue with the West is a common misunderstanding. They were actually very – even extremely – open but we censored their requests or framed them as evil and never showed their speeches. The concept of an “iron curtain” was not their construction but our own and it was a propaganda technique to give it a name so we could blame it on the Soviets. They wanted collaboration but we would not allow as they had to collaborate only on our terms. Sounds familiar? Gorbachev was awful. He ruined Soviet Union and the wonderful Russians would be astronomically more socially, culturally and industrially developed now if they had not taken the western neoliberal path. It is only being discovered now that USSR began being dismantled far earlier than popularly cited – it was gradually from the 1970s and owing to rampant British and US interference. The rate at which Russia developed (health care, science, culture, quality of life, you name it – it improved incredibly from the initial conditions) from 1920 to 1960 was astronomical and this would have continued without the western bribes and incessant political interference, climaxing with Gorbachev completely ruining the entire state. As this involved enormous property being passed to our elites and oligarchs, and creating oligarchs there merely as a byproduct, we cheer the devastation he brought, but having family in Russia I can attest that most Russians have the opposite view than our brainwashed traded stocks and private rental property obsessed narrative.
It says a lot about a person’s character when the enemies of his country loves him, but his country hates him.
So he happily held hands and collaborated with the foreign leaders that wanted to destroy his country, and he managed to do it. There’s a word for that….
As a muslim I should be merciful and forgiving but no not in this scenario!! Not for him!
I want to say as a Russian from Russia, you can’t even imagine what the 90s were for Russia, how hard it was. Putin, as a doctor, put to rest the patient's body, which was beating in agony, cannot be conveyed. PS I am not a particular fan of Vladimir Putin and did not vote for him, but I cannot deny what I wrote
He allowed the sale of Russian resources, it was supposed to remain the property of the Russian people. And the 90s were the peak of suicides in Russia, this fact is enough to describe that time.
In general, if you talk in more detail about the 90s. It was a time when people were not paid salaries and pensions for many (4-5 and more)months in a row, crime began to rise and werewolves in uniform, the Chechen war, a jump in drug addiction and alcoholism, black realtors, street children, brain drain to the West (some even received Nobel prizes), huge inflation (up to 2500%), and most importantly – the collapse of hopes
He destroyed their economy and lives…how they can love this mam
Second guy is correct . Instead of breaking the Soviet Union up should of been helped in modernising it first not try go head to head with it . That didn’t just lead to the soviets era ending . 20 years later america lost complete control of their power to china . Politically both countries were to stuck up imo .
Those ignorant fools don't know that they likely owe their very lives to Mr. Gorbachev. He avoid a full fledged civil war! Imagine if Ukraine who had the nukes and and black sea decided to fight for their independence instead back then? They wouldn't be smirking today.
I'd imagine the consequences of United States of America breaking up like Soviet Union. 50 states become 50 countries, and Puerto Rico and Hawaii finally get their independence.
You say this now. But your parents wailed in blood and repression. A betrayed revolution by the hardline bolsheviks that nobody wanted, and that stole real revolution from true revolutionaries. Now you want it back? Well you have it. Hail Rasputin, the new Tsar. At least Gorbachev was a sane man.
Russia is unfortunately full of Russian or Soviet imperialists, who think Mother Russia should "liberate" and swallow any neighboring nation, which wants to go their own way. So these answers are not a bit surprising to me. To them it's a tragedy that the hideous oppressive regime of USSR fell and many nationalities got their freedom back. Decades of brainwashing has done its job well..
Not one of them mentioned the corruption and selling off of everything by their own people.
I didn’t live in the USSR. Nor was I alive. But I do know this. Gorbachev didn’t have much of choice, it was either the dissolution we got or a Soviet Civil War which would leave millions dead.
The traitor who is responsible for the collapse of the soviet union, the traitor who is responsible for the defeat of the russia in the coldwar, finally died. 🥳🥳 Patroitic russians should pee on his grave.
Hail to the soviet union !!
Hail to the Mr. Putin !!
He liberated millions, and he’s the only one who didn’t got rich. He was a hero.
Ugly but true ..dividing soviet….will you feel good if america is divided.